Semi-Automatic civilian military style rifle in california?
I am in the military and i will be moving back home to California in a few months. I have a few weapons; S&W MP9, Escort 12Gauge Pump shotgun, Mosin Nagant, and an AR-15. I hear that the gun laws suck out there because the AR-15 is considered an "Assault" rifle eventhough its not full auto. is there any way around this? Can i still take my guns back home? Do I have to get a special permit? Dont really care to hear anyone’s rant about how i shouldnt have a gun cuz its dangerous cuz i hear it all the time and im keepin it one way or another. Any useful info is very appreciated.
My Life Suck- All the weapons I have are because i have personally bought them. Even the AR. The Military usually issues you the M4 and i dont think they let you keep it. but the worst they can say is no right. good luck.
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March 7th, 2010 at 1:56 pm
You would have to modify your rifle to comply with California State law.
Here is a thread some of my fellow Californians made discussing this top. I strongly suggest checking it out since these people reside in the state of California…there is a guy on page two talking about building legal AK and ARs.
http://www.semiautorifles.com/forums/f11/california-crazy-kal-tec-su-16ca-ools-1447.html
Then last but not least, it would be unethical of me to suggest smuggling in your 20rd and 30rd magazines. Just don’t advertise them in case you decide to do it!
March 7th, 2010 at 1:56 pm
the way to get around this problem is to make an AR-15 with a non-removable (10 round) magazine. Having to opening up the rifle and reloading the magazine from the inside.
major brands of AR-15 lower receivers are specifically blacklisted. But there are many brands of lower receiver that are not on the blacklist.
the law:
12276.1. (a) Notwithstanding Section 12276, “assault weapon” shall also mean any of the following:
(1) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and any one of the following:
(A) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon.
(B) A thumb hole stock.
(C) A folding or telescoping stock.
(D) A grenade launcher or flare launcher.
(E) A flash suppressor.
(F) A forward pistol grip.
(2) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has a
fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.
(3) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has an overall length of less than 30 inches.
…
detachable magazine” means any ammunition feeding device that can be removed readily from the firearm with neither disassembly of the firearm action nor use of a tool being required. A bullet or ammunition cartridge is considered a tool.
March 7th, 2010 at 1:56 pm
Here is the bad news.
If it is not on the "Approved List" for the People’s Demokratik Republik of Kalivornia, you will be commiting a Felony the moment they cross the state line.
The good news is how enforce-able the laws are. In truth not really.
The AR-15 is going to cause you trouble in that some ranges will ask to see the registration papers before you can shoot.
The Mosin Nagant is not going to cause you any trouble, and neither will the Shotgun provided its not a Franchi American SPAAS-12 like I have. Yes I had to register the F’n thing with DOJ!
Just to be safe its sitting in Oregon at my cousins house.
The pistol also may be an issue if it too is not on the approved handgun safety list.
All of this information is available on the Kalivornia DOJ website. Just check it and you will see what you may have to sell before you come back home.
Personally, the laws here are silly. But what do you expect when Feinstein, Pelosi, Boxer and sellout Schwartzenazi are running the state!
I can definately tell you the AR-15 is going to be a no-go, on the DOJ side.
The person who said it has to be modified to California regulations is dead wrong. They go by a certain window of serial numbers. Anything after a certain date code is a no. Anything before the date code that was removed from the state then returned is a no. Anything that was here before the date code, and is still here is required to be already registered. Which I think was Jan, 1 1998??
Anything, unregistered was required to be surrendered, destroyed or removed from the state.
Case and point, Olympic Arms no longer ships any of their merchandise to and California Zip Code, period. Even for Law Enforcement folks. Olympic Arms told them pound salt!
Good Luck and Happy Shooting!
March 7th, 2010 at 1:56 pm
I live in Alaska.
Here we can legally hunt with any assault rifle – and – hunt with a suppressor attached.
We do not have a concealed carry permit – anyone who is a resident and has not comitted a felony can carry concealed.
I feel sorry for ya. Sounds like you need to move.
March 7th, 2010 at 1:56 pm
buy and install a prince50 magazine lock system. also, remove the floor plate of all your magazines and insert a plywood block to block all magazines’ capacity to less than 10 rounds.
March 7th, 2010 at 1:56 pm
there is, you need a bullet button (forgot actual name). basically u need a bullet to push a button to drop the clip. you might have trouble with the smith and wesson (i belive thats a pistol, correct?)
you MIGHT be able to get around because you ARE a veteran.
and quick question back at you, how do you keep your weapons? im planning to go into the marines and want to keep the weapons i acquire. do i have to pay for the?
March 7th, 2010 at 1:56 pm
When you move into California you will need to submit a "New Resident Handgun Ownership Report" for the MP9 (1st link below). The second link takes you to the California DOJ FAQ page, check out FAQ #25. Your shotgun and bolt action rifle are no problem and there is no reason to report them. You will not, however be able to bring any magazine into the state if it has a capacity larger than 10 rounds. Your large capacity magazines may be modified to accept 10 or less rounds, but it must be a permanent modification. Simply dropping a block under the follower does not constitute a legal conversion.
Your AR-15 may be a problem. Check out link 3 to FAQ regarding assault weapons. The statutes contains a list of prohibited receivers–if the receiver of your AR-15 is on that list it is an assault weapon and cannot be modified to be California Compliant. However, if your receiver is an "off list" receiver the conversion may be as simple as installing a bullet button magazine release. Just searching for "bullet button" will give you several options to choose from. When you get to that list of prohibited features note that they only apply to semi-automatic (centerfire) rifles with detachable magazines. The courts have ruled that detachable means removable without using a tool. The bullet button magazines require such a tool (a bullet or similar shaped object) and therefore you can have almost all the "evil features" you want. The courts have also held that removing the magazine (using the tool) to reload is not a violation of the law–so you don’t have to go through the awkward top loading sequence. You should also check out link 4. It takes you to Calguns a good source of reliable information about California Firearms laws.
Hope everything works out.