K I like military type rifles especially ones that use 7.62 ammo (Ak-47, Sks, FN FAL mosin nagant etc.) I hunt deer and was wondering what rifle like this has large enough ammunition for deer. 7.62 would be alright except i need more range than most of these rifles offer. I read somewhere that the FAL comes in .308 but im not a big fan of .308. the wwii springfield rifle is 30-06 which some people i know like for deer. any suggestions would be awesome thanx.
Here’s the question, how has your luck been with 20 gauge slugs on deer in the past? Say out of a mod-choked 23" bbl? I would like to know the farthest distance you have successfully taken deer at, your preferred ammunition, and what you would consider the limits to be of your preferred ammunition.
Ok, I am going to throw in another question just for the heck of it. So we have had many questions about military rifles, and their use in military combat, the past few days from a certain member of YA! that I have always tried to be nice to and give my best answer to when they asked a question that I felt I could answer. My question is this, do you think that people should post military questions (which contain no hunting references in them) in the hunting forum and then we should get them banned for continually posting in the wrong section? Or what would you consider to be proper course of action to help better the YA! hunting forum?
Thank you Tahoe. To clarify, I am referring to the questions that are talking about the use of those firearms in combat situations, which have no hunting situations or implications.
One list of undocumented foreigners’ confiscated weapons.
" U.S. authorities announced they had seized two homemade bombs, materials for making 33 more, military-style grenades, 26 grenade triggers, large quantities of AK-47 and AR-15 assault rifles, 1,280 rounds of ammunition, silencers, machine gun assembly kits, 300 primers, bulletproof vests, police scanners, sniper scopes, narcotics and cash."
Her Own Words….
The possible passage of new restrictions on firearms and the return of military veterans facing significant challenges reintegrating into their communities could lead to the potential emergence of terrorist groups or lone wolf extremists capable of carrying out violent attacks.
U//FOUO) On the current front, legislation has been proposed this year requiring mandatory registration of all firearms in the United States. Similar legislation was introduced in 2008 in several states proposing mandatory tagging and registration of ammunition. It is unclear if either bill will be passed into law; nonetheless, a correlation may exist between the potential passage of gun control legislation and increased hoarding of ammunition, weapons stockpiling, and paramilitary training activities among rightwing extremists. (U//FOUO) Open source reporting of wartime ammunition shortages has likely spurred rightwing extremists—as well as law-abiding Americans—to make bulk purchases of ammunition. These shortages have increased the cost of ammunition, further exacerbating rightwing extremist paranoia and leading to further stockpiling activity. Both rightwing extremists and law-abiding citizens share a belief that rising crime rates attributed to a slumping economy make the purchase of legitimate firearms a wise move at this time. (U//FOUO) Weapons rights and gun-control legislation are likely to be hotly contested subjects of political debate in light of the 2008 Supreme Court’s decision in
District of Columbia v. Heller
in which the Court reaffirmed an individual’s right to keep and bear arms under the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, but left open to debate the precise contours of that right. Because debates over constitutional rights are intense, and parties on all sides have deeply held, sincere, but vastly divergent beliefs, violent extremists may attempt to co-opt the debate and use the controversy as a radicalization tool.
Napolitano Her Own Words….
The possible passage of new restrictions on firearms and the return of military veterans facing significant challenges reintegrating into their communities could lead to the potential emergence of terrorist groups or lone wolf extremists capable of carrying out violent attacks.
U//FOUO) On the current front, legislation has been proposed this year requiring mandatory registration of all firearms in the United States. Similar legislation was introduced in 2008 in several states proposing mandatory tagging and registration of ammunition. It is unclear if either bill will be passed into law; nonetheless, a correlation may exist between the potential passage of gun control legislation and increased hoarding of ammunition, weapons stockpiling, and paramilitary training activities among rightwing extremists. (U//FOUO) Open source reporting of wartime ammunition shortages has likely spurred rightwing extremists—as well as law-abiding Americans—to make bulk purchases of ammunition. These shortages have increased the cost of ammunition, further exacerbating rightwing extremist paranoia and leading to further stockpiling activity. Both rightwing extremists and law-abiding citizens share a belief that rising crime rates attributed to a slumping economy make the purchase of legitimate firearms a wise move at this time. (U//FOUO) Weapons rights and gun-control legislation are likely to be hotly contested subjects of political debate in light of the 2008 Supreme Court’s decision in
District of Columbia v. Heller
in which the Court reaffirmed an individual’s right to keep and bear arms under the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, but left open to debate the precise contours of that right. Because debates over constitutional rights are intense, and parties on all sides have deeply held, sincere, but vastly divergent beliefs, violent extremists may attempt to co-opt the debate and use the controversy as a radicalization tool.
do you think the criminals are going to follow more restrictions or laws?
can you name one place that gun control has wroked?
If new buyers are looking for .300 win mag rifles, looks like now’s the time to buy. Surplus .300, anyone? Will that happen? I think it would be pretty nice to get 7 dollars a box on this usually expensive ammunition.
Do you agree or disagree with this decision? What cartridge do you think would work well?
http://www.remingtonmilitary.com/MSR/msr.htm
more info here
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Group A: People who go to licensed dealers and gun show and purchase their firearms where they are registered with the federal authorities. They obtain permits to carry concealed firearms after hours of safety training and hundreds of rounds of practice fire and after intense scrutiny into their criminal record. They spend hundreds and even thousands of dollars on high end firearms and ammunition that is held to the highest level of quality and safety control. They spend hundreds of hours and countless rounds of ammunition a year at the range. Some are former law enforcement and military personnel. They are some of the safest firearms operators on the planet. They purchase their weapons for hunting, sport, to exercise their God given right, and to assure the safety and well being of themselves, their loved ones, and their property. What they DO NOT do is perform drive-bys, knock off Seven-Elevens, mug people, and commit murder. For that matter they don’t commit hardly any type of crime because they have to maintain their permits to CCW.
Group B: People who commit murder, perform drive-bys, knock off Seven-Elevens, mug people, and generally have little to no regard for the law. What they DO NOT do is purchase their guns from licensed vendors or register them with law enforcement. They do not purchase high end equipment and ammunition from reputable dealers. They do not obtain legal permits to carry concealed weapons. They do not go through training in weapons use and safety. They do not go through any kind of screening process to weed out criminals (because that’s what they are). They purchase their fireams for any one of the aforementioned reasons
You still with me?
Now, using gun grabber logic, you can stop and prevent Group B from committing all the terrible things they do by taking guns away from Group A.
Group A: People who go to licensed dealers and gun show and purchase their firearms where they are registered with the federal authorities. They obtain permits to carry concealed firearms after hours of safety training and hundreds of rounds of practice fire and after intense scrutiny into their criminal record. They spend hundreds and even thousands of dollars on high end firearms and ammunition that is held to the highest level of quality and safety control. They spend hundreds of hours and countless rounds of ammunition a year at the range. Some are former law enforcement and military personnel. They are some of the safest firearms operators on the planet. They purchase their weapons for hunting, sport, to exercise their God given right, and to assure the safety and well being of themselves, their loved ones, and their property. What they DO NOT do is perform drive-bys, knock off Seven-Elevens, mug people, and commit murder. For that matter they don’t commit hardly any type of crime because they have to maintain their permits to CCW.
Group B: People who commit murder, perform drive-bys, knock off Seven-Elevens, mug people, and generally have little to no regard for the law. What they DO NOT do is purchase their guns from licensed vendors or register them with law enforcement. They do not purchase high end equipment and ammunition from reputable dealers. They do not obtain legal permits to carry concealed weapons. They do not go through training in weapons use and safety. They do not go through any kind of screening process to weed out criminals (because that’s what they are). They purchase their fireams for any one of the aforementioned reasons
You still with me?
Now, using gun grabber logic, you can stop and prevent Group B from committing all the terrible things they do by taking guns away from Group A.
If you disagree, then please enlighten me.
Mountain Man,
To acquiring a CCW in Ohio requires an intense background check and a 17 hour training class that covers safe operation, accuracy practice, and the mental preparation to use a firearm in self defense. By the end of the course each participant will fire approximately 200 rounds of ammunition at the range. Please don’t tell me I’m wrong when I clearly have more knowledge on the subject than you.
http://www.moftaohio.com/classes/concealed-carry/
Eddieroachr
I think you would agree that a straw buy would fall under the canopy of "illegally purchased". Law abiding citizens tend to do just that; abide by the law.
Mountain Man,
Aside from the fact that I think you have a myriad of your own issues, I disagree with the idea that you can affect a group of UNLAWFUL people by making new LAWS. The only people that will be affected by NEW gun legislation are people that obey CURRENT gun legislation (i.e. Group A and not Group B).
OKay so here is the scenario, well your a marksmen, stuck in a war (the environment can be anything) but there is alot of enemies, vehicles, UAV, helicopters, Jets.
So which sniper rifle would u use and what type of ammunition, attachments, scopes would you use?
Moreover, while deployed? I really dislike the M16/M4. So I want to, somehow, get different weaponry for when I get deployed.
This applies to more than just weapons, too. Armor, tactical gear, etc.
Thanks.
1.) The M16/M4 pretty much explode after submerging them in water. Don’t believe me? Check out the video.
2.) Yes, it’s accurate. But in urban combat situations, I need something that can put the enemy down without a doubt in my mind. .223 vs. 5.56/.306 is a huge leap.
3.) Obviously, if I wanted to buy my own weapon and use my own weapon, I wouldn’t expect the government to buy me the ammunition. I would buy everything I needed.
4.) You are all assuming that you think I’m soooo special. When really, I would just like my chances of surviving to be -that- much better. So fuck off.
Currently the standard issue sidearm for the US Military is the Beretta M9, chambered in the 9×19 cartridge. The military switched to the beretta after decades of using the Colt M1911-A1, chambered in the .45 ACP cartridge. Ballistically, the .45 was superior, although the military believed it to be logistically impractical, and opted for the 9mm in the less tested beretta.
Every Military serviceman I’ve talked with have called the M9 a piece of crap or worse, and I haven’t found the weapon itself to be particularly appealing, much less the round it fires. Add to that, the 9×19 isn’t particularly effective either, at least not in an FMJ, and expanding ammunition is illegal in war. Logistically speaking, it would be less expensive and be a great help on the battlefield to retire an outdated weapon that is as ready for combat as a newborn, and replace it with a polymer pistol of a more effective caliber
So, what weapon and caliber would you like to see the US Military adopt? Personally, I would like to see a return to the .45 in a Glock 21. A .45 is one of the only handgun rounds that can stop a threat with one, maybe two decent shots even with an FMJ round, aside from a .44 magnum or .50 AE, however a desert eagle is a little bit much. I also would be open to a Glock 31, which is the full sized Glock in .357 SIG. The Glock is the top choice for law enforcement here and abroad. It is standard issue for most federal agencies and is combat ready out of the box. It has a .5 inch trigger reset, compared to the much longer and heavier pull of an M9. As well as the fact that the Glock is arguably the most versatile and indestructable firearm on the planet.
And yes, i am a little biased as I carry a Glock 22 (.40 S&W) everyday, and it’s never failed me. I would especially like to hear from military personnel.
Oh, and if you’re firearm and combat experience comes from Call of Duty, go somewhere else, shooting a CGI created weapon on a tv does not count.
NOTE: I realize the M9 has been replaced by the M4 for marines under the rank of colonel although I think that every person in combat ought to have a secondary weapon, regardless of corps policy.
I also like the 1911 and own one, however I will not own a kimber, I have no incentive to pay 2 grand for a weapon that I can get for a fraction of the price with rock island or a Springfield.
The Glock may not be pretty but it WILL go BANG everytime you pull the trigger as well as hold twice the rounds and half the weight.
2nd Note: the 9×19 and .45 are not comparable and I don’t believe you’ll find any experienced shooter who will say they are. It’s like comparing apples to…cattle. Yes the muzzle energy is greater but the argument that a smaller, lighter bullet is superior to a larger, heavier one doesn’t fly. And no, the 9mm does not create the same wound as a .45, not even close. You should research before making claims. I have never seen anybody taken down with one center-of-mass shot with a 9mm, I have seen/heard of dozens where a huge guy was taken out with one shot the chest with a .45.
I have the infamous package deal Remington 710 with the synthetic all-weather stock, steel bolt action, Bushnell Sharpshooter 3-9x40mm optics, with a .270 caliber barrel. I had bought a bi-pod for it, a camouflage sling, and the only ammunition I use for it is Federal Premium Boat-tails 130g soft point. I have experience in this weapon. I had shot my first deer between two ribs, through the liver, then the heart and in between two vertebrae of the spinal column between 225 yards away in kneeling position based on what I observed when I cleaned him. ( That may not seem far but it was my first hunt. ) If it isn’t suitable, what do I need to change on it? I am trying to get a good rifle out of my .270 for long distance target shooting.
Just curious to know, since that is exactly what Obama wants. I was reading about it, in an article. He is trying to get his weaponry law passed. So what do you think would happen if it became illegal for civilians to own/buy weapons/ammunition?
I believe it would cause a civil war, as it violated the 2nd amendment. All I can tell you is that a LOT of American soldiers are going to die, if the military were to get involved with this. (Assuming it even happens)
We just do not have a right to bear arms here. Only certain types of firearms are outlawed such as handguns, semi-automatic, pump-action centre fire rifles, military weapons firing explosive ammunition, short shotguns that had magazines, and both elevated pump-action and self-loading rifles.
But you can obtain other firearms as long as you have a license. The catch is that it must be hard to get this license as you must have a very good reason and self protection can not be one of them. I’m guessing the elite easily gain these licenses.
I’ve always been interested in miltary only weapons and I was wondering if I were ever enlisted and when I left would I keep my weapon or anything else. if I were to keep my weapon where would I buy ammunition
I was Just wondering because my neighbor who lives up the street (A recruiter) Has an m16 that he shoots all the time. How did He Get it?
I was wondering why the M9 pistol is used sometimes as opposed the standard service rifles–the M4 and M16 series. I see infantrymen, security forces/military police, etc… armed militarymen choosing to put away the rifle and instead use the pistol. The rifles can shoot more than one bullet at a time, if set in the burst or auto mode, and have more powerful ammunition, in addition to more bullets per magazine (20 or 30 vs 15 for the pistol), so in what cases is the M9 considered better than the M4/M16 rifles?
Both assault rifles carry the same ammunition type 5.56 mm rounds. But I want to know what’s the difference between these assault rifles. Please help me.
I can’t find any affordable ammo for my AK-47 anymore. There should be all kinds of 7.62x39mm military surplus out there in the world. Why isn’t it being imported into the United States? Ammunition for all firearms is outrageously priced right now if you can even find what you are looking for at all. What the heck is going on? Is everyone just stocking up for the revolution and drying up all the supply or is the Obama Administration already passing laws that are driving up ammo prices and banning importations?
I’ve seen pics of modern Chinese soldiers carrying modern crossbows and it just makes me wonder. What advantages does a crossbow have over guns?
I mean, it can’t be because of stealth because there are guns with suppressors and subsonic ammunition.
The pictures I’ve seen are not ceremonies. These pics have soldiers in complete battle gear carrying and target practicing with crossbows.
I’ve read that military surplus 5.56mm NATO ammo may be unsafe in standard bolt action hunting rifles chambered for the .223 Remington cartridge. Any truth to this? I’m checking out a Stevens model 200 for my son but want to shoot surplus and economy ammunition in it. Is there anything to be concerned about such as pressures, cartridge length, bullet weight or bullet seating depth? Will the Stevens shoot milsurp safely and without jamming the rifle?
Basically I’m talking about how much would I make if I was owner or part-owner of a military industry featuring all this. Guns, ammunition, missiles, military aircraft, military vehicles, ships, electronic systems, research and development, steel, energy and a private Special Military Corp.
My dream is to one day put all of this into one company. i’ll be the real-life Tony Stark
I want to be a Weapons Engineer when I graduate
Some soldiers might have a rifle, but others might have a sub-machine gun or a machine gun or a sniper rifle. And some people assist the officers, use a radio, or carry ammunition for a bigger weapon. When is this decided and on what guidelines for each?
I am writing a paper for a course where I have to draw up a business plan. It is necessary for me to create a firm which will provide armed security for ships / cargo. I am curious which licenses would be needed to allow current/former military personnel to carry fully automatic firearms, the licenses for storage of such weapons / ammunition, as well as insurance necessary in such a case. I tried looking up the necessary licenses for Blackwater International but came up empty handed. Any help provided is appreciated.
to learn about the pro's and con's of each as well as the biggest mistake all the "heavy artillery" guys make when choosing "terminator ammo"!
(Hint: It has nothing to do with "stopping power" but it's nearly as important to your family that you get this right! Not doing so could cost you a lifetime of grieving that no law-abiding family should suffer...EVER!)Read More...
